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Листування з міжнародною правозахисноюї організацією "Репортери без кордонів" (RSF-RWB)


Mr. Julien Pain
Internet Section
Reporters without borders

Dear Mr. Pain,

I am sending this message following our telephone conversation
yesterday October 30, 2003 around 12.00 (Kiev time).

I appreciate that you gave me the possibility to explain in words
about the situation in Ukraine and especially regarding the subject of
your press release.

The major reason of my telephone call was to point you out on
incorrect information that "Hostmaster was taken to court by the
government on 22 July to win control of the ".ua" domain name." what
in real is vise versa.

I accepted your explanation that this is the mistake in the English
version of the press release
(http://www.rsf.org/article.php3?id_article=8359), and both French
version (http://www.rsf.org/article.php3?id_article=8358) and Spanish
version (http://www.rsf.org/article.php3?id_article=8360) don't have
this mistake.

And I rely on your promise to correct the mistake as soon as possible.
However, to my surprise the wrong text is still online.

I can also admit that summary you sounded to me after our long
conversation reflected that you understood my explanation correctly.
In short:

1) there is a mistake in the text and in fact Hostmaster filed
complain to the district court in Kiev against the Governmental Decree
of July 22, 2003

2) There is no danger that the Security service of Ukraine (SBU) will
take over the .UA ccTLD management as the new enterprise UANIC,
established by decision of three Internet Associations in Ukraine and
some interested Governmental bodies, will be supervised by the
Coordinating Council consisting of founders' representatives,
representatives of interested Governmental bodies and other
non-governmental organisations, in total more that 12 members. Council
will operate on the consensus basis and the representative of the
SBU's Department on Information protection in special communication
systems will have only one of equal voting voices in the Council.

3) In contrary, Hostmaster is a private company and it unilaterally
manages .UA domain which is the critical national resource.
Hostmaster's activity is supervised by so-called Community Supervising
Council which has a statute principle of the veto right by any member
to block any Council decision.

4) You agreed that Hostmaster is probably not a right entity to
administer the critical resource .UA domain, however a fact that in
the UANIC Coordinating Council the SBU will have its representative
gives your organisation a reason to rise awareness as this is a way of
accomplishing your statute/social role.

I agreed with this your statement but noted that this particular
example demonstrates proven ability of SBU represented by Department
on Information protection in special communication systems to follow
established ICANN re-delegation procedure and not to pretend on an
exclusive role in the .UA administration.

5) I promised to send you a list of sites and Ukrainian Internet
Agencies that referred to your press release of October 27, 2003.
Regarding your concern, I told that none of referring sources repeated
your unintended mistake in English version of the press release.

The list is attached.

6) I also expressed my strong impression that this wave of information
campaign in Ukraine was concertated by people and organisations that
strongly resist the process of the .UA reformation in Ukraine and
their resistance is increasing in the desperation that the reformation
process which is three years long is finishing. They try to explore
any possibility up to personal attacks and facts forgery.

And in this wave of campaign intended to be even more obstructive as
previous, your organisation was just used as a trigger without any
intention to follow truth and reality.

7) I also explained that referred in your press release an order/law
of July 17, 2003 about lawful interception in datacommunication
systems is just an initial draft of the legal act that still need to
pass long process of Parliament and public discussion and there will
be unlimited chances for the Ukrainian ISP's, their Associations, mass
media, press and reporters, and community in general to discuss this
act and propose necessary changes.

So, this the place for your organisation to play your role and for
others concerned in Ukraine to contribute.

I can express my opinion that reaction of some opposing circles in
Ukraine is overexegarated and non-constructive and probably follows
different goal.

8) Finally, I promised that I will send you the English version of the
UANIC press-release about the UANIC registration that will be
published soon in Ukrainian press when it is available.


I am looking forward to our further contacts.

Sincerely Yours,

Yuri Honcharuk

P.S. IMHO, it would be much more correct to use not word "Security
police" but rather correct name of SBU - Soviet Bezopasnosti Ukrainy
(in transliteration from Russian) or Security Service of Ukraine. And
it would probably be useful for you to distinguish that a prospective
member of the UANIC Council (and actual initiator from the Ukrainian
Government of the .UA reformation process in 2000) is SBU Department
on Information protection in special communication systems which scope
of activity is solely technical.


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List (not complete) of articles in Ukrainian Internet media
referring RSF press release of October 27, 2003
(all in Russian/Ukrainian)

http://mailman.dg.net.ua/pipermail/members/2003-October/000935.html
http://rus.for-ua.com/news/2003/10/28/142348.html
http://www.glavred.info/merega/?news=90812052
http://podrobnosti.com.ua/ptheme/internet/2003/10/28/84796.html
http://www.korrespondent.net/main/81884/
http://www.ukrop.com/ua/media/ukraine/39628.html
http://www.pravda.com.ua/archive/2003/october/28/news/2.shtml
http://www.expert.org.ua/?st=2&id=8714


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> http://www.rsf.org/article.php3?id_article=8359
>
> 27 October 2003
>
> Concern about secret police bid to control the Internet
>
> Reporters Without Borders expressed alarm today at attempts by the
> Ukrainian secret police (SBU) to take control of Internet
operations in
> the country and intercept e-mail messages.
>
> "In a country where the media is already monitored closely, the
Internet
> has now become a key target for the SBU," said secretary-general
Robert
> Me'nard. "Its bid to take over management of the national domain name
> ".ua", currently in the hands of the private firm Hostmaster, and its
> proposal that parliament legalise e-mail monitoring, will allow it to
> effectively gag online activity. We shall watch developments very
closely."
>
> Hostmaster was taken to court by the government on 22 July to win
> control of the ".ua" domain name. The government has asked ICANN, the
> worldwide US body in charge of assigning all country domain names, to
> approve the proposed transfer but has had no response.
>
> The state telecommunications commission asked telecom operators and
> Internet service providers (ISPs) on 17 July to install equipment to
> monitor all traffic they handled. The Ukrainian Internet Association
> objected strongly to this as an unacceptable breach of privacy for
> Internet users and noted that for the moment it was still illegal
>
> The SBU asked parliament on 19 August to legalise recording and
> interception of phone and Internet messages, ostensibly to help fight
> crime and supposedly bring the law into line with European standards.
>
> NB : A copy of the press release was sent to ICANN
>

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From: RSF.Internet <internet@rsf.org>
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 17:48:18 +0100
Subject: Your press release of October 27, 2003

Dear Mr Honcharuk,

I read your e-mail with great attention.
I confirm that the error is corrected in the
english version my press release (online as well).
I perfectly understood your point of view and I
welcome your comments on my article.
I would like to precise that I don't object to
the Hostmaster Ltd management of the .ua domain
name.
I only stated that an independent association was
the entity I recommended regarding the
management of this type of domain names.

Regards,
Julien Pain

>Mr. Julien Pain
>Internet Section
>Reporters without borders
>
>
>Dear Mr. Pain,
>
>I am sending this message following our telephone conversation
>yesterday October 30, 2003 around 12.00 (Kiev time).

[skipped]

***

Dear Mr. Pain,

Thank you for reply and made correction.

I can suggest that you also sent corrected version to ICANN as stated
in the press release.

One thing that still concern me is that English version of the
press-release is almost 1.5 time shorter that others in French and
Spanish. Unfortunately, none of our staff can read neither French, nor
Spanish.

I don't know whether it's a better idea to send all three versions to
ICANN.

On Monday, November 3, 2003, 18:48:18, RSF.Internet wrote:

RI> I read your e-mail with great attention.
RI> I confirm that the error is corrected in the
RI> english version my press release (online as well).
RI> I perfectly understood your point of view and I
RI> welcome your comments on my article.

I can confirm that I did not mean to refer to your opinion as
objection against Hostmaster to administer the .UA domain.

Your remark as it was noted in my message has exactly the same meaning
in the context of our conversation as you clarified below.

We don't have intention to use any part of the notes of our
conversation separately without context and will not allow to do this
to other parties.

RI> I would like to precise that I don't object to
RI> the Hostmaster Ltd management of the .ua domain
RI> name.
RI> I only stated that an independent association was
RI> the entity I recommended regarding the
RI> management of this type of domain names.

RI> Regards,
RI> Julien Pain

I can confirm that I understood your remark exactly as you described
above.


Sincerely Yours,

Yuri Honcharuk

***

Dear Mr. Pain,

As I promised I am sending you a pointer to the English version of the
UANIC press release.

http://ua-nic.net/news_release_UANIC_23102003.html

And also on a site of the Ukrainian News agency (UNIAN):
http://www.unian.net/eng/news/news-46560.html

FYI, the ukrainian version is located at
http://ua-nic.net/press_relis_UANIC_23102003.html

Best Regards,

Yuriy Honcharuk

> Thank you for reply and made correction.
>
> I can suggest that you also sent corrected version to ICANN as stated
> in the press release.

 

 

 

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